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> > Ideas become memetic only when they self-replicate. When they
> > replicate through human intention, they're just ideas. Yes, memes
> > can involve behavior as well as ideas. But if we equate memes with
> > behavior and ideas, then we might as well just refer to behavior and
> > ideas and forget about "memes." There has to be something that
> > distinguishes some behaviors and ideas from others. When they're
> > not only habitual but *culturally* habitual, then they constitute memes.
> Yes, well said. This is how we view memes. Memes are ideas or beliefs
> that specifically have structures and elements (primarily linguistic or
> symbolic) that will enable to self-disseminate and self-defend. If an
> does not have these structures it is not a meme.
> Memes are not behaviors because behaviors _can_ have no idea
> behind them, nor need have self-replicating structures.
What about a language? Isn't our speech a self-perpetuating behavior? It
begins as a product of human creativity but gradually becomes ingrained.
You can learn a language intentionally, but that's not how children do it.
Our native language incorporates us into itself, not the other way around.
> A behavior, if it given these structures
> and an idea or belief embedded within it, can then but only then serve
> as a medium for a meme.
Why can't a behavior be both the meme and its mode of propagation?
> i would add, for this same reason other instances
> of the human experience are not memes either, e.g. emotions, or the
> expression of emotions....unless they are embedded in the memetic
The way we express emotions is culturally defined and therefore memetic.
> To take this a little further: It is the structure that allows
> and self-defense that makes a thing a meme, not the thing itself.
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