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From: Steve Drew (srdrew_1@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Feb 16 2002 - 11:04:17 GMT

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    on 2/15/02 7:19 PM, memetics-digest at fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk wrote:

    > If this clash of cultures heats up much more you can kiss civil liberties
    > goodbye everywhere. We're reaching a point where we either watch everybody
    > or we let the wild and crazy people destroy us, one tower at a time.

    Ithought we were nearly at the point where we can tag everyone. Hasn't
    Eschelon been operating for a few years. Over here in the UK the cops are
    experimenting with face recognition systems etc.

    > To my
    > mind this is just part of the legacy of genetic evolution. When the habitat
    > gets too crowded (and that's a decision made by nature, not man) the animals
    > start doing crazy and self-destructive things. They turn against each other
    > and the four horsemen start stalking the land. You'd better get ready for
    > interesting times.

    I wasn't aware that we needed a special reason to act that way.
    > It will be an interesting spectacle to see if memes can overcome genes in
    > the battle to see which is going to rule the earth. The genes have emotions
    > on their side and the memes have logic. Want to take any bets on which is
    > going to win? I feel like walking around with a plackard saying: THE END OF
    > SOMETHING IS NEAR! The trouble is, besides civil liberties, I'm not sure
    > what is ending yet.
    > If I sound like a nut case, just ignore me. I've been dwelling on the
    > meme/gene wars for a long time now and I know how crazy it sounds to most
    > other people. Since there's nothing I can do about it, I just sit back and
    > watch the march of history prove me right or wrong. But I DO find it
    > interesting. (Heh, heh, heh.)

    the gene/meme conflict is at the heart of this list surely, and it is
    interesting. There was a tv programme that i caught the trailer to the other
    day which made the claim that Steve Jones thought that evolution has come to
    an end. If the attributin is correct, i don't see how that can be. With
    technology progressing as it is, we may be able to select genes. It will
    move evolution into a different phase. It might also mean that genes become
    even more meme driven
    > Cheers,
    > Grant



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