Hi John & others !
 I've had a look at
       http://www.nexial.org/BMI/ISSS2000/ISSS_2000_Kineman_e.html
 and to my sorrow I am unable to read it without feeling annoyed by it, 
 I'm sorry.  I have a feeling that what the text deals with I'd 
 pragmatically better leave to people who like these things better than I 
 do, and that meanwhile I'd better get on with the things on which I 
 think I *can* think and create meaningfully.  To each person his/her own 
 fields of exploration.  
 *If* there is in the text anything that points towards making PRACTICAL 
 use of these insights (I mean: to create new technology), then please 
 make these things more clear to me.  I have not found any of this in the 
 text; it seems to me that ALL of the text is rather exclusively 
 theoretical, even extravagantly so -- in my eyes (I'm sorry) it even 
 borders on the mystical, e.g. this : 
   > We could also, of course, speculate on the broader humanistic and 
   > religious aspects of the view presented. It provides many openings 
   > for traditional and non-traditional spiritual thought, especially 
   > Eastern metaphysics. It suggests the possibility of abstract 
   > universes, eternal time, and light singularities in a domain that is 
   > removed from the material world of observation. In an abstract 
   > realm, where many worlds are possible, many beliefs are also 
   > possible. Since the model is based on a causal relationship between 
   > these domains, beliefs themselves are significant. Can we not see 
   > the physical results of specific beliefs in the world today? Such 
   > thoughts were, in the recent past, dismissed from science using the 
   > assertion that all thoughts come directly from the world, and 
   > therefore can be ignored in its causal explanation. The view here 
   > says they do not, although there is clearly the means for mutual 
   > influence. While the potential for spiritual interpretation may be 
   > bothersome to some, the habit of scientific materialism has been 
   > bothersome for others. In the quest for truth one should not feel 
   > impoverished if it is found that different paths can begin with the 
   > same concept of reality. 
 I'm again sorry, but I am unable to interpret this as almost pure 
 religion.  You seem to want to base models/science/philosophy/technology 
 on ''mystical'' things -- where I try to do the reverse: I am rather 
 intent on explaining everything that might *seem* mystical from 
 mechanical explanations.  I believe strongly in my axiom/assumption that 
 everything is mechanical, you seem to beleive quite strongly in your 
 assumption that basically everything can not be mechanical. 
 Everyone his/her own tastes.  IMO it's useless to discuss with people 
 whose opinions are TOO MUCH fundamentally different -- in such cases, 
 I think that e.g. tolerant coexistence might be more (mutually) useful.
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