>Subject: request subscription to PCP-discuss mailing list
>From: "Menno RUBINGH" <rubingh@delftnet.nl>
>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 100 20:34:40 +0200 (MET DST)
>To: owner-pcp-discuss@listman.lanl.gov
>Cc: rubingh@delftnet.nl
>
>L.S.,
>
>    Email address:              rubingh@delftnet.nl
>    Name:                       Menno Rubingh
>    URL of home page (if any):  http://www.rubinghscience.org
>    Postal address:             Doelenstraat 62, 2611 NV Delft, Netherlands
>    Phone:                      +31 15 2146915 (answering machine backup)
>    Affiliations:               At the moment I'm just a private person.
>
>    How did you hear about PCP?
>
>         I found the website 'http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be' by searching on
>         the ''WWW'' for people/groups who are doing work/research on AI,
>         cybernetics, and so on.
>
>    Please take at least one page to describe your work
>    and how it might relate to PCP:
>
>         At least one page !! well well.  All right.
>
>         I'm a 33-year old scientific programmer, graduated 1991 as an
>         electrical engineer, who gradually during the last few years has
>         discovered that he's highly interested in AI and in the 
> philosophical
>         implications of it.
>
>         My webpage 'http://www.rubinghscience.org/philos' contains a
>         description of my outlook on life and on AI -- and by extension 
> on how
>         I look at the possibility of intelligent artificial life forms
>         arising.  I am a programmer and technologist and
>         philosophically-inclined person who, having had a look at your
>         Principia Cybernetica website, cannot help seeing huge overlaps
>         between the ideas and approach-followed on the Pr.Cyb. website 
> and his
>         own ideas.
>
>         I still am definitely hugely new and uninformed about your
>         Pr.Cyb. project, but regarding the overlaps, I definitely simply
>         have to try to make contact and to find out to what degree it is
>         possible to construct a mutually interesting and beneficial
>         communication and exchange of ideas.
>
>         Of course :-):-) I have my own little humble programming project
>         concerned with creating a self-aware AI: see
>         'http://www.rubinghscience.org/aiclub'.  But recently I realized
>         that really au fond, ''self-aware'' AI already exists all around
>         us -- ''self-aware'' is just our way of labelling/interpreting
>         things.  A thermostat in a heater is already ''self-aware''.
>         Therefore creating a ''self-aware'' intelligent AI is (IMO) only
>         a question/matter of reaching sufficient complexity.  A process
>         that has reached sufficient complexity AND that has the
>         propensity to adapt itself into a form that tries to optimize its
>         own chances of survival, IMO (almost?) automatically will be both
>         ''self-aware'' and intelligent in a ''human''-like way.
>
>         So I think that the ''automatic'' drive towards survival is very
>         important in the study/problem-field of ''AI''. IMO, all
>         self-replicating entities that survive, therefore have wired-in (are
>         programmed such that they have) a ''will'' to survive -- otherwise
>         they wouldn't survive.  Anything that doesn't have this 
> will/drive to
>         survive is eradicated.
>
>         The above obviously overlaps hugely with the philosophical
>         questions of e.g.: what's the ''meaning'' of life ? ; and : what
>         is the optimal ''ethics'' for any entity ?  Reading the Pr.Cyb.
>         website, I'm delighted to find that the approach in it like my
>         own approach basically tries to find answers to these ''age-old''
>         philosophical questions in evolutionary and Darwinistic
>         considerations.  Ethics is what is optimal behaviour for any
>         entity that optimally serves its own survival.  This is not
>         specific to humans, but is general for any kind of entity and any
>         kind of ''system'' -- including robots, ant colonies, and
>         Martians. :-)   IMO, the huge advantage of this approach is that
>         does not base itself on ''moral'' values, and neither on any
>         needed a-priori belief about what is the ''Goal'' in/of life. In
>         contrast, IMO it's in a way plausible to say that in this
>         ''Darwinistic'' view the question of ''Goal'' or ''Moral values''
>         is entirely not an issue.
>
>         Well, this maybe has given you some impression of ''where I come
>         from''.  I'm with interest looking forward to your reply.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Ir. Menno Rubingh,
>    Scientific programmer, Software designer, & Software documentation writer
>Doelenstraat 62, 2611 NV Delft, Netherlands
>phone +31 15 2146915 (answering machine backup)
>email rubingh@delftnet.nl
>http://www.rubinghscience.org/
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