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 some further questions...
 > Don also writes:
 > >"He[Rosen] points out that biologists have always wanted to both
 > >have their cake and to eat it too.  They play at "hard" science and
 > >mechanistic/reductionism as if it were perfectly adequate for
 > >dealing with the "livingness" of living systems and then when it
 > >fails they have "evolution" to fall back on.  Much of what is
 > >unentailed by their> mechanistic
 > >models gets entailed by "evolution".  He also makes a clear
 > >distinction between the physiology of an organism and the
 > >"fabrication" of and organism. Here's a real stepping off point for
 > >future work!"
 >
 > Help me understand this difference from Rosen's point of view.  How
 > something 'works' vs. how it 'came to be' seems a simple
 > distinction.  But are mechanisms not organisms because they do not
 > have a closed self-entailment like organisms?  Or is self-entailment
 > (organismic reproduction) what Rosen means by closed efficient
 > causation?
 I also had problems with Rosens views on this point. I think
 self-entailment [being your own efficient cause] entails
 reproduction, and thus a little piece of what we call evolution. I
 did not quit understand what he meant by unentailed evolution.
 Hans-Cees
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