From: "John C. 'Buck' Field" <info@fieldoperative.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Internal meme?
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:14:19 -0500
In-Reply-To: <199909301830.OAA08682@smtp6.mindspring.com>
The "things" inside your brain, that is, the connections themselves are the method
which implements memes. The meme concept does not extend into the implementation, and
this is quite clear when we refer to the meme as a kind of idea.
We would not say that a building is a certain concept for a self-sustaining building,
but it could implement the idea/concept, or help to transmit an idea.
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-----Original Message-----
From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
Of Bill Benzon
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:39 PM
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: RE: Inernal meme?
At 3:45 PM 9/29/99 -0500, Aaron Lynch wrote:
>
>As with black holes and prions, there will be those who demand a lot more
>evidence before being persuaded. You may demand more evidence than many
>memeticists on the matter of internally-stored threat-word vocabularies and
>internal information hypotheses.
>
Just a quick interjection. I don't have any problem with
"internally-stored threat-word vocabularies" or with "internal information
hypotheses" etc. I just don't think those things in the brain a memes, none
of them. Whatever is replicated in cultural processes, it's not the stuff
inside our heads.
Come to think of it, Walter J. Freeman, a neuroscientist at Berkeley, has
ideas about brain dynamics which suggests that internal representations are
unique to us as individuals. If he is correct--and I'm by no means sure of
it--then none of them, no matter what the source, could possibly be memes.
Walter J. Freeman, "The Physiology of Perception," _Scientific American_.
Vol, 264, NO. 2, February 1991, pp. 78-85.
Walter J. Freeman, _Societies of Brains_, Lawrence Erlbaum, 1995.
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