From: "Chris Lofting" <ddiamond@ozemail.com.au>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Whales amongst us
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:13:06 +1000
In-Reply-To: <19990930184219.AAA11259@camail2.harvard.edu@[128.103.125.215]>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Wade T.Smith
> Sent: Friday, 1 October 1999 4:39
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: Whales amongst us
>
>
> >So there
> >IS something going on, so hang around!
>
> Oh, I never doubted there was something going on over here, what it is
> ain't exactly clear....
>
true
> >identity seekers favour hallucinagens, sensation seekers favour
> >psychotropics (cocaine, amphetamines)
>
> I did completely eschew cocaine when I first encountered it- way, way,
> back in the nineteen sixties.... But, it was totally because I thought
> the people using the cocaine were assholes, and they only got assholier
> while under the influence. None for me, thanks, I said. I very nearly
> became addicted to opium, and noticing this, stopped all drug use in '70.
>
wow, what wonderful story (in the light of the distinctions I gave :-)) My
1960s experimentation found that amphetamines seemed to 'do' something for
me. I have not done drugs since but in the process of discovery I was found
to be ADD so that would explain the amphetamines link.
The amphetamine link can lead to delusions in that it can put you together
too strongly such that you can believe you are god -- this drug pathway
leads to delusions and so psychosis. (and so, yes there is a strong arsehole
element !)
For ADD people the drugs create a sense of a continuum and so help
concentration and avoid distractions. Your average ADD is 'out of
tune/phase' and the drugs raise you to the 'right' level (wow talk about
mixing metaphors! :-)) For the 'normal' people the drugs make them 'sharp'
rather than raise the 'flat'.
without the drugs (I am without) things can be a bit jumpy at times :-) I
was on nicotine for 20 years (3pkts a day) but got sick. Went off them and
in doing so my world changed! the nicotine had sped me up and so kept me
together; helped to control the compulsions/impulsive behaviour. These days
the feedback from analysis of the characteristics of the problems can
*really* help manage things (my daughter has moderate ADD, no drugs as yet.
There are many at her school (performing arts school) on ritalin etc)
the hallucinegen link is more right brained in that the pathway exagerates
sensory harmonics and so there is a strong relational emphasis; illusions
rather than delusions; the many rather than the one.
> >Adult/neurotic has a dual mind, multi context -- get depressed
> >rather than schizy.
>
> And I've been there. Probably still am. But is this world without end? I
> doubt it.
manic depression oscilates. The mania is part of the left brain process --
psychosis side of things, creative, intense, single context, very centered
in here. As the cycle progresses so you swing right (I am being slightly
metaphoric here) The right is into relationships and context and has a bias
to negativity in the form of describing something by what it isnt, and so
the exageration of negative things leads to depression.
It is as if the attention system is stuck in detail mode as you naturally
oscillate left/right.
> >how would you like
> >your t-shirts printed?
>
> I've always liked "Got a long way to go, but I ain't goin'"
>
:-) with the image of someone sulking? arms folded, turned away from the
path? There is a feeling re unfairness in that.. do you feel unfairness of
some sort?
> >the persona is a virtual wave,
> >a superposition of all of those threads of character and the only way to
> >create a superposition is through waves and that leads to
> chemistry and that
> >leads to complexity, emergence, resonance and that leads to memes.
>
> Ah, the harmonic convergence.... I still want the Neanderthal to come
> back. Now _that_ was the real golden age.
>
artistically, yes but no language and no internet!
> - Wade
>
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