From: "Raymond Recchia" <rrecchia@hotmail.com>
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: RE: implied or inferred memes
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:42:52 PDT
Reply to a John Wilkins post that started with a Derek Gatherer Post
>
> >Derek:
> >
> >Well, I think John can explain it better than I can, but > >basically 
>it's a condition for evolution to be able to > >respond to selection.  If 
>the background level of mutation > > >is too high, there's too much of a 
>chance that a selectively > >advantageous mutation will mutate into 
>something else
> >before it has a chance to spread.  One might argue (not
> > necessarily correctly but still one might argue...) that >modern 
>multimedia cultures are too novelty-prone in most > > >areas.  There's no 
>time for a trend to take a grip before > >the next craze replaces it.  This 
>is (was) (perhaps) less > > >the case in
> >so-called less developed societies.
   I wonder if reference to Manfred Eigen's error catastrophe theory might 
useful here. John Maynard Smith and Eors Szathmary do a decent job of 
explaining it in "The Major Transitions in Evolution" (1995) published by 
W.H. Freeman pp 44-49.  The equation is N < ln s/(1-q), where N is the 
selectively maintainable amount of information, s is the selective 
superiority of one state of that information and q is the copying fidelity 
per digit.  I first encountered this Eigen's
"Hypercycle" and I knew it was important but I did not quite understand it 
until I re-encountered it "The Major Transitions in Evolution" .  My 
interpretation is that if the mutation rate in a population is too great, 
more complicated units of evolution (be it memes or genes) will be unable to 
sustain themselves unless they have a very high selective advantage.
John Wilkins wrote:
>
>I'm stepping into this thread late, so I may be missing the >point but here 
>goes:
>
>Fisher was dealing with the recently accepted particulate >theory of 
>inheritance (Mendelian population genetics as he and
>others set it up).
>He was therefore discussing in the first chapter of Genetical Theory what 
>this did to the arguments Darwin adduced in the > > third (IIRC) and 
>subsequent editions of the Origin to deal  > with Fleeming Jenkins' 
>argument that selection would fail if inheritance were blending (the 
>classic case of a "superior" > white man on an island of "inferior"
>natives).
>
>Fisher showed that if inheritance were blending, any novelty would be 
>swamped by the population norm within a thousand > > generations, and so 
>blending inheritance required a much     > higher rate of novelty for 
>selection to be effective. But,   > effective it could be if there was 
>sufficient novelty and    > high rates of selection. Of course, if heredity 
>were > particulate (we would now say modular), then it could persist for 
>very long periods, and even infinitesmal amounts of selection coefficients 
>(in panmictic, that is, universally  interbreeding, andeffectively 
>infinite, populations) could > result in geologically rapid evolution.
   I really do have to read Fisher at some point and follow that whole line 
of reasoning.  The modularity as opposed to blending fits in with some 
thinking I did a few years ago and I think also points to a way to do an end 
run around N in Eigen's equation.
   A few years ago to explain some the advantages of evolutionary selection 
as opposed to a purely random selection I came up with a little hypothetical 
model evolution system that involved manipulating the string of symbols 
OGIATWDEHS.  In my system the string of symbols had to remain the same, but 
it could be in any order.  So IATODWESHG or TDEGDWAIHSO were possibilities 
but changing the number of certain symbols or the length of the pattern were 
out of the question.  So therefore IAAAAIDDDD or WHS were not possible  One 
combination of the symbols was a best combination, that in less abstract 
sense might be analogized to a string of amino acids that have a particular 
formation that provides the best enzyme for a hypothetical biological 
reaction.  Randomly selecting among all the combinations it would take at 
least few thousand selections to find the right one, but if you start with 
one pattern, create variations that differed from their parent by one switch 
in position of letters (like switching the O and the S in OGIATDEHS to get 
SGIATDEHG) and then select one of the best of those to start a new 
generation it would take only a few hundred combinations to get the correct 
pattern of ISAWTHEDOG. (My numbers may be off here.  The actual work is on a 
floppy disk three hours drive away from where I presently live)
    Now we would end up with a different set of numbers if we selected 
either a more complex or more simpler method unit of selection.  If for 
example we started out with words instead of just letters, so that we have 
something like DOGSAWITHE to begin with we have a lot fewer combinations to 
work with.  On the other hand selection could be at the level of the lines 
and curves that make up the letters.
    As I said this allows to do end run around N in the equation because the 
total number of symbols is lower.  Of course selecting at a more complicated 
level of symbols leaves out interesting possibilities that could otherwise 
arise like IWASTHEGOD because manipulation within the symbols wouldn't be 
permitted.
    I think this is what Wilkins is referring to here. If evolution takes 
place at a level of infinitely small mutations then large genes and large 
leaps between genes are much more difficult.   In biological life we see 
evidence of mechanisms for recombination at many levels.  At the most basic 
level there is base pair alteration.  At higher levels there is the 
suggestion that introns and crossing over and the phenomenon of jumping 
genes work to allow recombination at of higher level functional groups (I am 
may be a bit dated on my information here.  I have not really paid attention 
to the molecular biology literature for a few years.  I am a lawyer after 
all.)  At higher levels still there is the whole chromosome shuffle of 
meiosis.
    Recombination at higher levels is area where memetic evolution would 
appear to have distinct advantage over genetic evolution.  Combining memes 
into more abstract levels that may then be manipulated and recombined 
appears to be a much more prevalent process at the memetic level.  We take 
individual colors and form the higher level abstraction of 'colors'.  We 
take the process of making a hammer and the process of making a saw and 
combine them together in 'toolmaking'.  These higher level memes are then 
manipulated together to form yet other memes.
   I also liked the rest of Wilkins post because it mirrors some of my own 
thoughts, but I do not really have anything to add to it.
Raymond O. Recchia
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