From: "Aaron Agassi" <agassi@erols.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: i-memes and m-memes
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:03:27 -0400
In-Reply-To: <dbWlhsA2cB03EwWV@faichney.demon.co.uk>
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> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Robin Faichney
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 2:45 PM
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: i-memes and m-memes
>
>
> In message <001f01bef60f$38583600$fdb606d1@sbosmr.ma.cable.rcn.com>,
> Aaron Agassi <agassi@erols.com> writes
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What memes, then, in the brain, are not
> >> >> >thought?
> >> >>
> >> >> Most or all the components of a "local accent".
> >> >
> >> >Huh?
> >>
> >> You mis-spelled "Doh!"
> >
> >What is "local accent"?
Huh. I thought you where throwing jargon referencing the accentuation of
some thing or event or other local in the brain.
>
> accent n. 1 particular (esp. local or national) mode of pronunciation.
> (Pocket Oxford Dictionary)
Pronunciation, even by habit, may well be thoughtful, even by a Parrot!
Behaviors from Subsumtion Architecture are actually robotic, but they break
down into reflexes not even dictated by the central nervous system.
Arguments that conditioning is truly unthinking remain unconvincing. And,
besides, conceptual memes as proposed go well beyond conditioning, even if
they seek responses that may either be innate or conditioned.
To distinguish pronunciation, even one's own, on the fly, for ongoing self
correction to maintain that pronunciation, is a highly discriminating and
conceptual effort. Consider how much trouble it is to program robots for far
simpler tasks.
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