From: "Aaron Agassi" <agassi@erols.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: i-memes and m-memes
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:28:42 -0400
In-Reply-To: <wqD+9hA8yQz3Ew4I@faichney.demon.co.uk>
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> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Robin Faichney
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 7:24 AM
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: i-memes and m-memes
>
>
> In message <2CDFE2C8F598D21197C800C04F911B2034935B@DELTA.newhouse.akzono
> bel.nl>, Gatherer, D. (Derek) <D.Gatherer@organon.nhe.akzonobel.nl>
> writes
> >>Derek:
> >>Yes, of course. If you could show, by PET scanning, that there was some
> >>replicating internal neural activation pattern
> >
> >Robin:
> >But it's not replicating internally, is it? So how is it identified?
> >
> >Derek:
> >Yes, of course. Part of my stance is that such replicating
> neural entities
> >do not exist.
>
> I pointed out the ambiguity as to whether these neural patterns are
> supposed to replicate internally (within a brain) or externally (between
> brains). But you lapsed back into it. Which do you mean?
>
> >But if you could show that a certain PET pattern appears in
> >my brain correlated with some behaviour, and that the same PET pattern is
> >present in other people's brains on doing the same behaviour.....that I
> >think would be a Dawkins B meme. But of course, it's all
> science fantasy.
> >
> >Robin:
> >it might prove memes in the brain, but it could not disprove memes
> >outside the brain.
> >
> >Derek:
> >Good, so I would still be in business. But part of my thesis is
> that there
> >are _no_ internal memes, so proving that would make me at least half
> >entirely wrong.
>
> Depends what you mean by "internal memes", though, doesn't it? What do
> you think of the examples I gave of the relevance of the brain to
> memetic explanations?
"Internal memes"? How about just calling them *thoughts*?
> --
> Robin Faichney
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