From: "Richard Brodie" <richard@brodietech.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: when is a meme selfish?
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:50:45 -0700
In-Reply-To: <KfggAFA4Blx3Ewdg@faichney.demon.co.uk>
My whole point was to show why the label "meme" (Dawkins B/Dennett/Brodie
definition as information in a mind) was interesting. The information "Jesus
Saves" in the mind of a Christian evangelist influences more people to have
that information as part of their mental programming in the future. The same
information on a rock in Morse code at the bottom of the sea has little if
any effect on the future. The former is a meme; the latter isn't.
Information in minds has a particular power to affect the future. I'm not
saying that information outside of minds has NO such power, just that it
needs different kinds of help to make it replicate.
Richard Brodie richard@brodietech.com
Author, "Virus of the Mind: The New Science of the Meme"
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From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
Of Robin Faichney
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:47 AM
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: when is a meme selfish?
In message <NBBBIIDKHCMGAIPMFFPJOEPPDIAA.richard@brodietech.com>,
Richard Brodie <richard@brodietech.com> writes
>Robin wrote:
>
><<in what way does the information you concede is encoded on the
>rock differ from the meme?>>
>
>It differs in two ways that I see immediately:
>1. Different encoding
>2. Different location.
>
>In fact the only thing that is identical is the information itself.
So you agree that the information encoded on the rock is the same as the
meme?
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