From: "Aaron Agassi" <agassi@erols.com>
To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: your mail
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:26:13 -0400
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.95q.990712225234.7589D-100000@holmes.umd.edu>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
> Of Lawrence H. de Bivort
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 11:01 PM
> To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: your mail
>
>
>
> Greetings, everyone
>
> Sorry I haven't pursued Aaron's CliqueBusters exercise. A couple of
> reasons:
>
> - Our methodology requires a finely described outcome, along the lines I
> was pursuing with Aaron. This is both to establish what the purpose of the
> meme is, and to minimize unintended effects. (This has both a practical
> and, in my opinion, ethical dimension to it.) The outcome was proving
> somewhat elusive -- starting with an anti-malicious gossip frame, and
> changing into a more general block against 'bad' things in organizations.
> The more we explored, the less understanding I had about the precise
> outcome.
In retrospect, I'd have to agree. But I saw inclusion as the initial part of
the process, and expected, with your help, to begin to narrow it down again
derive an adequate and specifically defined outcome. According to proven
brainstorming technique, the floor is left wide open without limitation
initially, in order to have more and better thoughts to refine as the work
gets under weigh. Besides, were we no conceiving, ultimately, of a memplex?
Indeed, I had begun to address the design limitation of adverse undesired
outcomes, and awaited response.
>
> - The old adversary, time. I'm on a project that has taken off and left no
> time for anything but itself. So I haven't forgotten the intriguing notion
> of designing a meme, but can't do it now.
>
> - There seemed to be some unhappiness expressed with the notion of
> 'engineering memes'. I understand that this a more academically-oriented
> list, and that 'applications' discussions may be inappropriate.
I don't think that I object to the semantics one way or the other.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lawrence de Bivort
> The Memetics Group
>
> On Sat, 10 Jul 1999, Aaron Agassi wrote:
>
> >I confess disappointment that the Clique Busters TM discussion
> has abated.
>
>
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