From: <JakeSapien@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:11:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Measuring Memes
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
In a message dated 6/1/99 10:10:58 AM Central Daylight Time, 
hanss@sepa.tudelft.nl writes:
>>> 4. Has the distinction between internal logical consistency and truth been
 > discussed in the meme literature?
 
 I do not understand this I am afraid.  <<
I don't know if there has been any such thing in memetics literature.   If 
anyone would be aware of the existence of material, Hans-Cees Speel would as 
likely know as anyone.  Something that may be closely related to this and 
also closely related to memetics, however, would be evolutionary epistemology 
- perhaps check out the Principia Cybernetica website for material in that 
direction.  Pan-Critical or Non-Justificational rationalism is a nutshell of 
the involved position of evolutionary epistemology - Principia deals with 
that a little more incidentally as it is more concerned with descriptive 
treatments (e.g. how vicarious selectors operate within a memetic environment 
of otherwise blind variation) of evolutionary epistemology rather than the 
"how-to" involved approach.
The distinction that I would draw between logical consistency and truth - or 
rather, I would say truth orientation - would be along the lines of 
representation.  Internal logical consistency alone is no guarantor of truth 
orientation.  But placed within a representational context, I would say that 
the internally consistent contruction that contains the most and the most 
consistent representations of that context will tend to be more truthfully 
oriented than the construction than contains less and less consistent 
representations of that context - in otherwords a greater degree of deception 
and/or solipcism.
Non-justificational/pancritical rationalism is best described by the 
statement:
"All representations are in principle subject to rational criticism".
Thus combining elements of consistency (ALL representations including the 
statement itself) and representation - we aren't concerned the internal 
consistency of mere statements and semantic constructions, but their 
representational characteristics.
It may be well to note, however, that memetics is not so concerned with the 
truth of a cultural replicator, but with the tendency of that replicator to 
be replicated.  Truth is only one of many factors that play a role in the 
fitness of a meme, and in many cases memes replicate in spite of their lack 
of truthfulness.  Those cases are ones that are of particular interest to 
memetics because of the persistence of such "deceptions".  The persistence of 
truthful information is not very interesting, but the persistence of 
"untruthful" information is something that memetics might be particularly 
good at explaining.
Principia on Evolutionary Epistemology:
 <A HREF="http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/EVOLEPIST.html">Evolutionary Approach to 
Epistemology
</A>
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/EVOLEPIST.html
Links on Non-Justificational/Pancritical Rationalism:
 <A 
HREF="http://www.law.mita.keio.ac.jp/~sehagi/kogawara3.html">Non-Justification
al Rationalism
</A>  
http://www.law.mita.keio.ac.jp/~sehagi/kogawara3.html
 <A HREF="http://www.idiom.com/~arkuat/extr/faq/pcr.html">What is pancritical 
rationalism (PCR)?
</A> 
http://www.idiom.com/~arkuat/extr/faq/pcr.html
 <A HREF="http://www.arts.monash.edu.au/phil/PHL2110/2110b4g.htm">Being 
Rational
</A>
http://www.arts.monash.edu.au/phil/PHL2110/2110b4g.htm
-JS
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