From: <EGraham1@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:56:03 EST
Subject: Re: A more "sciency"-sounding mysticism.
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
In a message dated 03/04/99 23:00:53 GMT Daylight Time, MemeLab@aol.com 
writes:
<< Determinism is an extention of control - enabling control through 
prediction. 
  We say that the universe is deterministic, because with greater knowlege we 
 can make better and more accurate predictions/determinations and with better 
 predictions we can exercise a greater realm of control. >>
I essentially agree on all except semantics.  You define determinism in terms 
of prediction/control.  It is usually defined as the doctrine that every 
event has a *cause*.  I find your distinction between control and cause 
enlightening, but to redefine determinism in terms of control leaves a 
semantic gap.  What do you then call the doctrine that every event has a 
cause?  What do you call the process of making an undetermined choice if not 
"free will"?  Maybe that is where we differ, I use "free will" to define a 
conceptual process, you use it to define an experience.  
I would prefer to leave the term "free will" to the dualists and define 
something new, such as "self control" to describe the experience.  To my mind 
this is much more descriptive of the processes, both you and I appear to 
agree are actually happening.  Thanks for shedding a little light on this 
issue for me.  I'm a bit worried we are straying off topic here and it's only 
my third post in this group, my apologies!
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