Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:11:14 GMT
From: "SOC MicroLab 2, UEA, Norwich" <A.Rousso@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: information transmission
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
> This brings up the important problem of 'inherited 
knowledge.'  For this 
> process to work, the baby must be born with some ability 
to interpret 
> tokens in a useful way for both mother and baby.  If the 
baby cannot 
> 'properly' interpret the tokens, everyone becomes unhappy. 
 Problems may 
> exist in the 'sensing' capabilities (blindness or 
deafness), but they may 
> also exist on the psychological level (autism).  If autism 
exists, there 
> might be a lack of 'inherited' knowledge or a lack of 
focus (baby doesn't 
> know to focus on momma).
> 
It sounds like you are invoking something akin to Chomsky's 
language acquisition device (LAD) here, which can fit well 
with evolutionary theory, i think (it's quite 
straightforward to imagine how it evolves, too). However, it 
all goes a bit pear-shaped when you say:
> Thus, the token model of information flow requires a 
substantial amount 
> of inherited knowledge to provide a foundation for our 
consciousness to 
> emerge.  
> 
> With this in mind, I'll claim we inherit memes. They are 
not transmitted 
> from person to person.  We are born with them.  As we 
mature, our memes 
> are molded by our experiences.
> 
> Mark
> 
This is all very well, but it isn't memetics. The kind of 
evolution you're invoking here is longitudinal (that is 
'down' from one generation from the next) like genetics. 
Yes, some information does get passed on longitudinally, and 
it's possible that this knowledge is inherited "physically" 
- perhaps like the LAD. But what makes memetics interesting 
- infact it's the main premise of memetics - is that 
information *can* get passed horizontally. We know that 
ideas get passed from person to person (in a way unlike 
longitudinal passing of information) and we are trying to 
look for a plausible algorithm for that phenomenon.
If you are saying that "information" of all kinds exists in 
some Platonic form in people's heads, and the way  
information pools differ from person to person is that 
information gets moulded by people's experiences, then:
 The stuff that we call memetics concerns the phenomena (the 
tokens, or whatever you want to call them) that are doing 
the moulding, that are actually being passed from person to 
person horizontally - these are the memes.
In other words the token of the burnt finger the mother 
passes to the baby *is the meme* - and what we are looking 
at is how these memes get transmitted, and why sometimes 
they are succesful, and sometimes they are not.
cheers, alex rousso.
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