From: BMSDGATH <BMSDGATH@livjm.ac.uk>
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Nothing succeeds like success
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:54:03 -0400 (EDT)
Thanks for the references, Mike.
On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:10:38 -0400 Michael Best <mikeb@media.mit.edu> 
wrote:
> Of course things have not centered on social transmission. But there
> also is the very promising work ongoing at Cold Springs Harbor and UCLA
> (which I know has been mentioned to you before) to study the neural
> basis of social learning of food preferences in Norwegian black rats. If
> this succeeds it really will be a neural-based experiment in memetic
> transmission. So a rat learns via social transmission from a conspecific
> to eat casein and a little probe in its head lights up. Something like
> that.
Now that would be evidence of some kind of internal neural pattern 
correlated with behaviour.  I must read the references.
What do you mean by probe, though?  If you mean something 
electrophysiological, ie. neuron activation then that would be more 
interesting than if you mean an immunological/molecular probe like the 
fos antibody.  There were a lot of people in Cambridge making rats run 
round mazes or do other standard tasks from classic behavioural 
sciences and then cutting out their brains and probing with fos 
antibody.  I used to go to quite a lot of these seminars, and as far as 
I could see, the patterns produced were only a fairly crude indication 
of what part of the brain was being used, certainly not the kind of 
specific information you would get with a microelectrode.  Also the fos 
signal only comes up something like 60 minutes after the behavioural 
event.
Anyway I'll read the references and see.
There's also been a lot of hype about gene knockouts which interfere 
with learning in mice.  But these interfere with learning in general.  
A former colleague of mine went to work with the knockout group at Cold 
Spring Harbor, and he told me that the learning defects are often 
fairly severe, ie. these mice are a meme-free zone.  It doesn't quite 
provide evidence of internal behaviour-specific neural patterns.
But again I'll try to catch up on the latest stuff.
Cheers
Derek
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