From: "B. Lane Robertson" <metaphy@hotmail.com>
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Structure of facts and opinions]
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:46:02 PDT
Yes, I see an emergent order.  I also see this 
harking back to pre-social evolutionary behaviors. 
 But, like Steve, I don't see this to be a 
dichotomy (where "social" might be an arbitrary 
dividing line that might apply memetics to people 
while somehow suggesting that it doesn't apply to 
all stages of the evolutionary picture).
In fact, I have found it helpful to trace the 
pattern of change to a level that precedes 
"animal"... and even "plant" for that matter.  I 
have found it useful to see the emergent pattern 
of development as having characteristics which 
apply to the physical universe... in the patterns 
which lend themselves to the creation and 
breakdown of matter and to the ordering of systems 
of energy into positives and negatives which 
pre-date, and foster, living systems.
that the arrangement of elements within a system 
follow the idea of "complexity" to both maintain a 
certain ordering and to also tend in the direction 
of a more complex ordering.  As such, when the 
characteristics of non-living systems become those 
of living systems... I have been able to keep the 
idea of an evolutionary ontology which builds upon 
previous levels.  
In the evolution of humanity, it would seem that 
what was once consciously sought (sex, nutrition, 
safety, self-awareness) are later organized such 
that they become instinctual components to a more 
complex arrangement of these same behaviors whose 
lower-level ordering is subsumed by the more 
complex one (the more complex ordering suggesting 
that a new developmental task becomes paramount... 
the training of this new behavior helping to push 
the older behaviors into the background).
Thus, the "intentional" ordering of necessary 
behavior (of objects, etc.) becomes a drive, which 
becomes an instinct... as new behaviors become 
necessary.
After individual self-awareness is attained and 
made instinctual, then it becomes necessary to 
establish possession rules, object permanence 
rules, repairative rules, distribution rules, 
language, art, imagination, control, standards, 
and recreation.  My main point, however is that 
these necessities are *predicted*, 
developmentally, by the ordering of systems whose 
rules are set way before social needs are 
addressed and even before the particular ordering 
required for life is maintained at the level of 
energy and matter.
B. Lane Robertson
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