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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 02:05:20 +0100
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Re: memetics-digest V1 #24
From: Eomer@t-online.de (eomer)
I was impressed by Josips clear definition, of which I think is a very usefull
base for further diskussions, because many useless quarrels bear their reason in
different definitions of terms.
What do you think about generating some kind of dictionary for this
diskussion round? At one hand this could be helpfull for new members of to join
this circle on higher complexity-level. On the other side
it would be some kind of essence of the gathered knowledge in this
new discipline.
The memetics lexicon.
Here some ideas belonging the definitions:
To my mind, in system theories an isolated combination is called a cluster.
static and dynamic systems both contain also of informational structures, but
dynamic systems always process selfreferential. Therefore they can act without
having direct input.
Josip wrote:
> So, I would like to propose some basic terms to clarify the discussion:
>
> Structures are patterns made with a finite number of elements with clear
> functional connections.
> Material structures are rigid, deterministic, ...
> Energetic structures are labile, stochastic, ...
> Informational structures are flexible, controlable, ...
> A system is a relatively isolated combination of a material and energetic
> structure elements able to perform a change of it's internal structural
> states.
> A static system is identified by the same response (structural change) to
> the same input (irritataion) from the environment.
> A dynamic system is identified by it's memory elements capable to perform
> an internal change of the system state without the influence from outside
> of the system.
>
> I'm not very happy with this definitions but could we take them as a start?
>
> Josip
>
>
>
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> From: Zoom <zoom@shs-partner.de>
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:23:06 +0100
> Subject: Re: memetics-digest V1 #23
>
> Tim Rhodes wrote-
> >If a meme must me encoded, transmitted, and decoded, what do we call =
> the
> encoded information between the time it is encoded and decoded. Is that
> pattern of symbols the `meme' itself? (I have my doubts.) And if not,
> what is it?>
>
> I would say that the meme itself is the same. It is just a difference =
> between potential and kinetic energy. One is 'active', the other is =
> 'passive' waiting to materialize (which it may never do).
>
> - ---
> Zoom
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> From: "Tim Rhodes" <proftim@speakeasy.org>
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:56:33 -0800
> Subject: Re: memetics-digest V1 #23
>
> Zoom <zoom@shs-partner.de> writes:
>
> >Tim Rhodes wrote-
> > If a meme must be encoded, transmitted, and decoded, what do we call the
> > encoded information between the time it is encoded and decoded. Is that
> > pattern of symbols the `meme' itself? (I have my doubts.) And if not,
> > what is it?>
> >
> > I would say that the meme itself is the same. It is just a difference
> between > potential and kinetic energy. One is 'active', the other is
> 'passive' waiting to > materialize (which it may never do).
>
> In physics we have terms like `potental' and `kinetic' to distinguish these
> states. Do we need a similar terminology in memetics to clarify things?
> Do we have it yet?
>
> Curious-
> - -Tim Rhodes
>
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