From: "Hans-Cees Speel" <hanss@sepa.tudelft.nl>
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:30:11 MET
Subject: Re: testing memetics
> Hans-Cees Speel writes:
> 
> >What is it with this testing meme? I thought that testing in the 
> >early Popperian sense is rejected by most scholars.
> 
> Well, I haven't read much Popper but that meme is still alive and well
> in my mind.  :-)
> 
> >You cannot test a program 
> >or a theory as a whole. There can be little parts you can test, that 
> >may make up a nice 'partly' tested.
> 
> I think what we're looking for is a testable hypothesis or prediction,
> about something in particular, that can be put forth with memetics, that
> is not supported by other fields of study or is not within the realm of
> other fields of study.
I can live with that. But think there are more things important in a 
theory. 
> What tests are there by which memetics can be thus compared to any other
> field of science?
This is really a question of big importance. What tests can be solved 
or answered by memetics, and not by other sciences. I say resolved 
because I don't beleive hypothesis can be rejected ones and for all 
in the social sciences. In practice there are always too many 
variables. Of course this can be the case too in physics and so on.
> 
> >Also in social sciences many 
> >theories are not testable and yet accepted: meta-narrative if you like.
> 
> I'm interested.  Can you give some examples, if it'll help stamp out the
> testing meme?
In policy science you have the garbage-can theory for instance. It 
states very broadly that solutions and problems in organizations 
'roam' around in organizations. Now and then they 'meet' in decision 
arena's and a problem gets solved. 
Another example is the question whether decisions taken by management 
or boards etc are to be called satisfising or optimizing. In practice 
this can almost never be decided, althuogh the theoretical difference 
is pretty clear. 
These are both examples of theories that are accepted (used by 
everyone that matters in the field) but that do not contain 
very testable things. Their main function for use is that they offer 
a meta-narrative or metaphor that lets us see reality in a different 
frame or way.
A theory in that sense should bring forth different hypothesis or new 
solutions for old problems, but still these  hypothesis can be 
'untestable' in that the questions are nice, but that answers are not 
provable in any sense.
So a function of memetics can just be that the world of information 
can be seen by  a different frame. I argue fir instance in my paper 
for JOM-EMIT that should appear soon (this or next  week I hope) that 
memetics shows a new view on information by showing us that we re-use 
old memes again when we say we are deciding or describing things. 
We could make hypothesis or investigate how much of for instance the 
arguments we use in decision making are new variation, and what we 
replicate.
Also memetics can show how different kinds of selection forces 
intermingle in decision making (we may decide that some plan is a 
good one becuase it solves a problem, or we may nod 'yes' because we 
were distracted and do not want to admit that)
greetings
Hans-Cees
Theories come and go, the frog stays [F. Jacob]      
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