Message-Id: <199707080025.TAA05692@mailhost.onramp.net>
Subject: Re: meme lineages
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 97 19:26:35 -0000
From: Mark Mills <mmmills@OnRamp.NET>
To: memetics <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Bob Grimes wrote:
>I don't believe in ESP or "non-physicial meme/mind
>stuff."  I do believe that it is apparent that the symbology doesn't
>carry the total meme construct.
This comment led me in some odd directions...
I began to wonder if the 'meme as idea' concept represents a twist on the 
ghost or fairy-spirit notion, something of a scientific name for entities 
of the 'other side.'  The 'meme as idea' seems to live as a cognitive 
(spiritual) entity devoid of physical body just like a ghost.  Since we 
have a hard time placing ghosts in a Newtonian universe (ie, haunted 
house, etc), we use the magic of Darwin and neuro-complexity to imagine 
they live in minds and survive by a 'replication' process.
For example, there is supposed to be a haunted house down the street from 
my office.  Perhaps the ghost is not in the 'house,' but in the minds of 
'believers.'  The ghost lives as long as  people remember it and share 
the tale.  If it is written down, it may come back to life when an 
unsuspecting individual reads the haunting words.
This allows us to get the ghost out of the Newtonian world, but remain in 
the experiential domain.
Thus, ghost, fairy and meme (meme as idea) become interchangeable.  Meme 
and 'curse' are probably probably equivalent, too.  Here are some example 
phrases: The ghost/fairy/meme made me do it.  The ghost/fairy/meme spilt 
the milk.  The curse/meme is my family's ruin.
Just an idea, probably biased by my inclination to view memes as inert 
coded substrate.  I thought someone might help me distinguish between 
ghosts and 'memes as ideas,' though.
Mark
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