Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:02:47 -0500
From: Ken McE <KenMce@catskill.net>
To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
Subject: Insidious SPAMetic Meme Enclosed
Hello,
If you will take a look at the bottom of the attached you will see that
someone has snuck some commercial trash into your mailing. One of the
main reasons I use moderated and subscription groups is to get away from
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further such incidents.
Regards,
Ken McE
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> Memetics Digest Wednesday, 25 June 1997 Volume 01 : Number 030
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> Re: Is memetics needed. Was: A Drosophila for cultural evolution
> Re: Being a Human Being, Memetics and Complexity Science
> Re: The origin of culture, memetics and science. Was: Is memetics needed. Was: A Drosophila for cultural evolution
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> From: Mark Mills <mmmills@OnRamp.NET>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 01:16:42 -0000
> Subject: Re: Is memetics needed. Was: A Drosophila for cultural evolution
>
> >I'd say memetics starts where spoken language starts
> >and that science starts very soon after written - printed
> >language starts. As simple as that.
>
> Interesting.
>
> I'd say memetics starts with simple multicellular organisms exhibiting
> neurological activity, hundreds of millions of years ago.
>
> Mark
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> From: Mario Vaneechoutte <Mario.Vaneechoutte@rug.ac.be>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:23:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: Being a Human Being, Memetics and Complexity Science
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> From: Mario Vaneechoutte <Mario.Vaneechoutte@rug.ac.be>
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:01:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: The origin of culture, memetics and science. Was: Is memetics needed. Was: A Drosophila for cultural evolution
>
> Mark Mills wrote:
>
> Mario:
> > >I'd say memetics starts where spoken language starts
> > >and that science starts very soon after written - printed
> > >language starts. As simple as that.
>
> > Interesting.
> >
> > I'd say memetics starts with simple multicellular organisms exhibiting
> > neurological activity, hundreds of millions of years ago.
>
> Well, of course it is a matter of terminology. I'd say that the origin
> of culture is that far back. And that human culture is that kind of
> culture you get when also words come in, and as such coincides with the
> area of memetics. So, I basically would not consider all kinds of habits
> (like how you wear your clothes) which spread because of mimicking
> behaviour as memetic. Animals do that as well, think of bird song
> culture.
> I would define culture in general as the possibility of multicellular
> colonies to influence each others' behaviour by means of nonchemically
> transmitted information. Human culture than adds the possibility to
> influence other peoples' behaviour by means of words. Words can be
> considered as encoded information which needs decoding before it takes
> effect (gets meaning), unlike the perception of behaviour of others
> which has a direct effect on how you behave (e.g. a cry warning for
> danger has immediate effect, the perception of an attractive potential
> sex partner has immediate effect,...).
>
> The directness of environmental stimuli other than words may be obscured
> since words come in quickly and interfere. We are biased by word usage.
>
> Mario
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