Message-Id: <199706130117.UAA10647@mail.tds.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:18:51 -0500
From: "Lawrence D. Rupp" <rlawrenc@mail.tds.net>
To: Memetics <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: *Quaker* cornflakes?
Marshall Massey wrote: (To Ecotheology)
> 
> Larry, I'm afraid I have no idea why the box of cornflakes was
> referred to as "Quaker".
> 
>      As far as I know, there are no Quaker creationists in Europe,
> where Mario Vaneechoutte resides.  European Quakerism tends to be
> centrist or liberal and pro-scientific.
> 
>      It is very possible that there may be evangelical Friends here in
> the U.S. who are creationists -- their branch of Quakerism is rather
> right-wing and reactionary -- but I have not heard that the
> evangelical Friends make cornflakes.  The other varieties of Friends
> here in the U.S. are not, so far as I know, inclined toward
> creationism.
> 
>      The Quaker Oats Company may make cornflakes, but they are not
> actually owned or managed by Quakers, and have no connection with the
> Religious Society of Friends.  (In fact, I am told that their founder
> was actually a Baptist.)  And since they have no connection with our
> Society, I don't really know much about what they're up to; but I have
> never heard of them pushing a religious agenda.  It seems, in fact,
> unlike them.  We Quakers have from time to time had reason to complain
> about the behavior of the Quaker Oats Company, down through the years,
> precisely because the company has never seemed to display any
> religious consciousness or sensitivity whatsoever.  For example, a few
> years ago they were running TV commercials for children's cereal
> featuring "Popeye the Quaker Man", who defeats monsters with one blow
> of his mighty, cereal-nourished fist.  This is so far away from the
> pacifism of actual Quakers as to be laughable!  For such a company to
> suddenly begin campaigning for a religious position, such as
> creationism, seems to me to be rather out of character.
> 
>      The Quaker testimony of integrity forbids such deceptive and
> manipulative packaging of a message as Mario describes.  If one is a
> Quaker, one is expected, taught, even openly *pressured* to speak
> one's views plainly, and to relate to others without playing games.
> Of course, it is still possible to be *unconsciously* gamey, or to
> fail to realize that one has not yet spoken plainly -- and we are all
> guilty of such things from time to time, are we not?  But a cereal box
> is a very deliberately designed thing:  its manipulative qualities are
> very consciously planned.  And thus the package Mario describes just
> doesn't sound like Quaker behavior to me.  That doesn't mean that it
> *can't possibly* be Quaker behavior -- but if it *is* Quaker behavior,
> it's something outside my experience.
> 
>      If you happen to learn more about this "Quaker cornflakes" stuff,
> I'd like to hear about it.  Please keep me informed.
> 
> Regards,
> Marshall Massey                 personal mail:  <MMASSEY@delphi.com>
>                        *earthwitness project*:  <epc@earthwitness.org>
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