0100,0100,0100Times New RomanDate: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:49:56 +0100  To: {HYPERLINK "addressbook.cgi?un=joedees&uid=BGdw4Qvy3jqAYLFMOfSsR6H2&aa=create_alias&ea=memetics@mmu.ac.uk&nf=1"}0000,0000,FF00memetics@mmu.ac.uk0100,0100,0100  Subject: Re: The Demise of a Meme  From: Robin Faichney <<{HYPERLINK "addressbook.cgi?un=joedees&uid=BGdw4Qvy3jqAYLFMOfSsR6H2&aa=create_alias&ea=robin@reborntechnology.co.uk&nf=1"}0000,0000,FF00robin@reborntechnology.co.uk0100,0100,0100>  Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk Courier NewOn Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 11:16:51AM -0600, {HYPERLINK "addressbook.cgi?un=joedees&uid=BGdw4Qvy3jqAYLFMOfSsR6H2&aa=create_alias&ea=joedees@bellsouth.net&nf=1"}0000,0000,FF00joedees@bellsouth.net0100,0100,0100 wrote: > > > Given the meaning which I explicitly and definitionally attached to > the word "self", the truth value of my statements concening same > is a matter of scientific verification. There IS voluminous and > comprehensive PET-scan verified evidence of top- down control... I don't doubt correlation between mental and neural events. In fact, I insist on it. But how can mental-> neural causation be objectively verified, when only the effects, and not the causes, are objectively accessible? > A = someone testifying that, pursuant to request, they are pursuing X cognitive task. B = Appropriate area Y of this someone's brain, associated with the performance of cognitive task X, lighting up in real time as marker glucose is burned there. > If A, then B. If not A, then not B. Repeat ad nauseum ad infinitum. Still, if A, then B, and if not A, then not B. No exceptions noted (they would make great career-making headlines if they were). Overwhelmingly statistically probable scientifically induced conclusion: A causes B. Inductive conclusion: the voluntary pursuit of cognitive task X causes approriate brain area Y to engage, valid over many different X's and Y's, and prohibitively corroborated by means of extensively repeated experimental trials under carefully controlled conditions - the marrow of science. -- Robin Faichney Get your Meta-Information from {HYPERLINK "ext_link_frameset.cgi?bframe=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eii01%2Eorg"}0000,0000,FF00http://www.ii01.org0100,0100,0100 (CAUTION: contains philosophy, may cause heads to spin) ======================================================= ======== This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing) see: {HYPERLINK "ext_link_frameset.cgi?bframe=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecpm%2Emmu%2Eac%2Euk%2Fjom%2Demit"}0000,0000,FF00http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit0100,0100,0100 =============================================================== This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing) see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit